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Utah on verge of passing bill demanding Feds relinquish public land

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SALT LAKE CITY – Lawmakers who want to seize control of federal lands are pushing a legal battle they insist is winnable despite multiple warnings their effort is highly unconstitutional and almost sure to fail in court.

Utah is poised to become the first state to pass a package of bills that demand the federal government relinquish claims to huge sections of public land. A proposal that advanced Wednesday demands that by 2014 the federal government cede control of nearly 30 million acres -- nearly 50 percent of the entire state.

A bill setting an identical deadline is also moving in the Arizona Legislature.

Rep. Ken Ivory, who is leading the effort in Utah and helped draft model legislation for use in other states, said the federal government doesn't treat states like equal


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jrschl
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 7:01:42 PM

Ok.
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knot2swift
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:57:55 PM

Funny in Canada we allow provinces to control their own resources.

I guess the US ain't at all like that. We find "Regional power" seems to work best in the interests of regions as far as resources are concerned. We're are bigger than the US in land mass.

[Edited by: knot2swift at 3/7/2012 9:59:23 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:56:56 PM

I hope they win!
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:56:04 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:54:52 PM

yeah, good luck with that

make another mouthpiece wealthy
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greydog13
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:54:19 PM

Good for those states. The Feds need to stop taking lands from the states and private land owners. There are plenty of National parks. forests, and monuments for the public to visit. Military bases are being closed down but what happens to those lands? Let the city folks visit the public lands now available and let the farmers, ranchers, and private land owners tend to their own property.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:53:07 PM

Here's hoping that they win in court.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:52:02 PM

yeah, right.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:51:54 PM

Good luck.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:50:20 PM

Dream on.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:47:52 PM

interesting
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:43:01 PM

Not going to happen , just like a normal person really never owns their land.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:38:18 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:37:48 PM

Lets see where this goes...
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:36:27 PM

bad news for the user
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:35:48 PM

Short siting thinking will lead to further pollution, global warming, species extinctions and air dirtier than industrialized cities.
Yes, let's have more sick people!
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:34:30 PM

WHY?
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:32:32 PM

Not good news if this bill passes.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:32:16 PM

That will be interesting
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:31:41 PM

This could be the start of something, or not. Let the Feds keep the open federal lands.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:30:44 PM

Another land rush???
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:28:04 PM

Ummmmm....half the state is national parks. I suppose if the Feds can't protect the land, it's goodbye national parks. Won't it be great when you can take the kiddies cross country to see the oil and natural gas drilling sites throughout the short-sighted states that do this? I am so friggin' glad I didn't move to North Dakota, or some other pristine place. I would be so p!$$#d. We're gonna wind up having less pollution here in New Jersey than the rest of the country before long.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:27:30 PM

Public land should remain free!
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:24:37 PM

This will be an interesting fight that Utah and Arizona will start.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:23:50 PM

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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:22:49 PM

Lawmakers make laws to benefit themselves...
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Goodnite...
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ok
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Washington has little regard for the 10th Amendment.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:17:54 PM

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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:14:19 PM

Considering the events described below, what do you think the chances are the federal government will heed the proposed actions by Utah and Arizona?

An old man, Jim Wilde, and his stopped and arrested on the Yukon river of Alaska.
On September 16, 2010 federal park rangers intercepted his boat on the Yukon river, ordered him to stop and then ordered him to shutoff the engine. This was in the middle of a rapidly flowing river with a boat heavily loaded with Jim, his wife, and supplies. THIS WAS DESPITE THE FACT HE WAS OUTSIDE PARK LANDS AND SEVERAL AGREEMENTS AND LAWS INDICATE THE STATE, NOT THE FEDS HAD AUTHORITY.

Not wanting to risk his life in the river current, Jim Wilde instead headed to the shore where there could be inspections, discussions, etc. without risk to life and property. On the way to the shore, the park employees even pointed firearms at his wife (fortunately they didn't fire). Once they got to shore, the feds through the old man to the ground pinned him, handcuffed him and to him a long distance to a jail where he was held for four days.

Did the feds leadership say "oops" and apologize? Nope - they pressed charges and took him to court. To me, the most telling indicator of federal arrogance was when his wife was asked during trial if she had EVER had a firearm pointed at her in the past. Her answer "Yes" surprised many in the courtroom. She went on to explain that a gun was pointed at her -- BY THE GESTAPO IN NAZI GERMANY.

Isn't it sad that a reasonable person can make a comparison between federal agents and Nazi Gestapo?
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:13:05 PM

Good for Utah.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:12:56 PM

The seizure of this land by the Feds was a criminal act!!!!
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:10:27 PM

Resurrecting the Federalists versus State's right which brewed when the US nation and constitution was being birthed. Maybe the Federal government can be parried down by reducing its control of natural resources.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:05:02 PM

hmmmm.
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Utah is leading CA here
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ok
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:01:01 PM

go utah
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ok
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 5:57:02 PM

OK
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 5:56:48 PM

Defeated....whipped by elected officials. We need to say, enough is enough!!
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 5:56:17 PM

Ok
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 5:56:15 PM

All this Federal land sitting there and no taxes are being paid to the local governments.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 5:54:30 PM

It's not gonna happen.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 5:54:07 PM

Trying to make a point.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 5:52:57 PM

kool
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SCREWED AGAIN!
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 5:51:56 PM

a state going up against the feds, no way
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 5:50:52 PM

not gonna happen.these are federal lands because they were set aside.
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Trying to make a point........Failure is imminent!
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 5:48:45 PM

the people and the states need to take back control of many areas usurped by the Feds over the last century plus. We have allowed them to take control and we have it within us (and the states) to take it back.

the Constitution is very specific on what the Federal gov'mint could do - the intent of the founders was to have strong states and a weak Federal system. WE have allowed the opposite to happen.

Arizona's immigration changes are one area along with the Fed land issue. Don't let the Feds win.
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