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Utah on verge of passing bill demanding Feds relinquish public land

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SALT LAKE CITY – Lawmakers who want to seize control of federal lands are pushing a legal battle they insist is winnable despite multiple warnings their effort is highly unconstitutional and almost sure to fail in court.

Utah is poised to become the first state to pass a package of bills that demand the federal government relinquish claims to huge sections of public land. A proposal that advanced Wednesday demands that by 2014 the federal government cede control of nearly 30 million acres -- nearly 50 percent of the entire state.

A bill setting an identical deadline is also moving in the Arizona Legislature.

Rep. Ken Ivory, who is leading the effort in Utah and helped draft model legislation for use in other states, said the federal government doesn't treat states like equal

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Submitted Mar 07, 2012 By: RNCII

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jrschl Champion Author Louisville Posts:2,952 Points:678,140 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 7:01:42 PM Ignore jrschl Report Abuse Ok.
knot2swift Champion Author Calgary Posts:4,374 Points:695,250 Joined:Nov 2009	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:57:55 PM Ignore knot2swift Report Abuse Funny in Canada we allow provinces to control their own resources. I guess the US ain't at all like that. We find "Regional power" seems to work best in the interests of regions as far as resources are concerned. We're are bigger than the US in land mass. [Edited by: knot2swift at 3/7/2012 9:59:23 PM EST]
Beaveronparade Champion Author Hartford Posts:2,096 Points:632,245 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:56:56 PM Ignore Beaveronparade Report Abuse I hope they win!
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uptherefiners Champion Author Chicago Posts:5,048 Points:1,002,000 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:54:52 PM Ignore uptherefiners Report Abuse yeah, good luck with that make another mouthpiece wealthy
greydog13 Veteran Author Iowa Posts:261 Points:489,325 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:54:19 PM Ignore greydog13 Report Abuse Good for those states. The Feds need to stop taking lands from the states and private land owners. There are plenty of National parks. forests, and monuments for the public to visit. Military bases are being closed down but what happens to those lands? Let the city folks visit the public lands now available and let the farmers, ranchers, and private land owners tend to their own property.
PizzaMon Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:5,134 Points:1,859,780 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:53:07 PM Ignore PizzaMon Report Abuse Here's hoping that they win in court.
inkedbiker74 Veteran Author Akron Posts:250 Points:371,080 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:52:02 PM Ignore inkedbiker74 Report Abuse yeah, right.
ericbcire Champion Author Nevada Posts:4,505 Points:1,264,460 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:51:54 PM Ignore ericbcire Report Abuse Good luck.
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hoosierdaddyno1 Champion Author Indiana Posts:1,539 Points:1,254,180 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:43:01 PM Ignore hoosierdaddyno1 Report Abuse Not going to happen , just like a normal person really never owns their land.
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allstar3 Sophomore Author Baton Rouge Posts:136 Points:71,700 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:37:48 PM Ignore allstar3 Report Abuse Lets see where this goes...
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jdc17327 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:2,555 Points:197,565 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:34:30 PM Ignore jdc17327 Report Abuse WHY?
SUSANCK Champion Author Chicago Posts:3,627 Points:706,280 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:32:32 PM Ignore SUSANCK Report Abuse Not good news if this bill passes.
aggietim Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:1,751 Points:691,800 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:32:16 PM Ignore aggietim Report Abuse That will be interesting
freerobert Champion Author California Posts:1,159 Points:1,239,215 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:31:41 PM Ignore freerobert Report Abuse This could be the start of something, or not. Let the Feds keep the open federal lands.
us4usa Champion Author Missouri Posts:5,976 Points:1,109,385 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:30:44 PM Ignore us4usa Report Abuse Another land rush???
OilBGone Champion Author New Jersey Posts:9,053 Points:1,710,655 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:28:04 PM Ignore OilBGone Report Abuse Ummmmm....half the state is national parks. I suppose if the Feds can't protect the land, it's goodbye national parks. Won't it be great when you can take the kiddies cross country to see the oil and natural gas drilling sites throughout the short-sighted states that do this? I am so friggin' glad I didn't move to North Dakota, or some other pristine place. I would be so p!$$#d. We're gonna wind up having less pollution here in New Jersey than the rest of the country before long.
JENNYHK Champion Author Chicago Posts:3,626 Points:710,620 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:27:30 PM Ignore JENNYHK Report Abuse Public land should remain free!
ExplorerWA Champion Author Washington Posts:4,062 Points:794,225 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:24:37 PM Ignore ExplorerWA Report Abuse This will be an interesting fight that Utah and Arizona will start.
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tnikodem Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,207 Points:531,305 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:14:19 PM Ignore tnikodem Report Abuse Considering the events described below, what do you think the chances are the federal government will heed the proposed actions by Utah and Arizona? An old man, Jim Wilde, and his stopped and arrested on the Yukon river of Alaska. On September 16, 2010 federal park rangers intercepted his boat on the Yukon river, ordered him to stop and then ordered him to shutoff the engine. This was in the middle of a rapidly flowing river with a boat heavily loaded with Jim, his wife, and supplies. THIS WAS DESPITE THE FACT HE WAS OUTSIDE PARK LANDS AND SEVERAL AGREEMENTS AND LAWS INDICATE THE STATE, NOT THE FEDS HAD AUTHORITY. Not wanting to risk his life in the river current, Jim Wilde instead headed to the shore where there could be inspections, discussions, etc. without risk to life and property. On the way to the shore, the park employees even pointed firearms at his wife (fortunately they didn't fire). Once they got to shore, the feds through the old man to the ground pinned him, handcuffed him and to him a long distance to a jail where he was held for four days. Did the feds leadership say "oops" and apologize? Nope - they pressed charges and took him to court. To me, the most telling indicator of federal arrogance was when his wife was asked during trial if she had EVER had a firearm pointed at her in the past. Her answer "Yes" surprised many in the courtroom. She went on to explain that a gun was pointed at her -- BY THE GESTAPO IN NAZI GERMANY. Isn't it sad that a reasonable person can make a comparison between federal agents and Nazi Gestapo?
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skybiker Champion Author South Carolina Posts:7,282 Points:1,556,590 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:12:56 PM Ignore skybiker Report Abuse The seizure of this land by the Feds was a criminal act!!!!
DTroytNC Veteran Author Charlotte Posts:366 Points:62,510 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:10:27 PM Ignore DTroytNC Report Abuse Resurrecting the Federalists versus State's right which brewed when the US nation and constitution was being birthed. Maybe the Federal government can be parried down by reducing its control of natural resources.
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SIDEKICKFL Sophomore Author Florida Posts:165 Points:48,470 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 5:56:48 PM Ignore SIDEKICKFL Report Abuse Defeated....whipped by elected officials. We need to say, enough is enough!!
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dollarwatcher Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:7,930 Points:1,532,295 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 5:56:15 PM Ignore dollarwatcher Report Abuse All this Federal land sitting there and no taxes are being paid to the local governments.
menagerie1013 Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,365 Points:687,265 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 5:54:30 PM Ignore menagerie1013 Report Abuse It's not gonna happen.
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Akcamper Veteran Author Tucson Posts:274 Points:30,555 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 5:52:54 PM Ignore Akcamper Report Abuse SCREWED AGAIN!
nimpy Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:8,120 Points:1,698,080 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 5:51:56 PM Ignore nimpy Report Abuse a state going up against the feds, no way
nomad228 Champion Author Columbus Posts:3,117 Points:575,140 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 5:50:52 PM Ignore nomad228 Report Abuse not gonna happen.these are federal lands because they were set aside.
cimilluca1 Sophomore Author New York Posts:193 Points:234,425 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 5:49:12 PM Ignore cimilluca1 Report Abuse Trying to make a point........Failure is imminent!
vollee Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:1,755 Points:757,010 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 5:48:45 PM Ignore vollee Report Abuse the people and the states need to take back control of many areas usurped by the Feds over the last century plus. We have allowed them to take control and we have it within us (and the states) to take it back. the Constitution is very specific on what the Federal gov'mint could do - the intent of the founders was to have strong states and a weak Federal system. WE have allowed the opposite to happen. Arizona's immigration changes are one area along with the Fed land issue. Don't let the Feds win.